Monday, April 18, 2011

Homework for April 20

For this entry, post two quotes from Being Wrong (one from chapter 12 and one from 13) that apply to the error or mistake your character (or another character) made in King Lear.

36 comments:

Christina Cecil said...

"We want to be right about ourselves for the same reason we want to be right about the world: because it enables us to feel grounded, confident, safe---even sane" (283-284). This quote can be related to King Lear in the fact that he was so sure of the speeches his two daughters gave him about love that he believed he was right in giving his land to then and by banoshing him daughter who didn't love him as much.

"Our errors can alter our beliefs, our relationships, ourselves"(294). This quote is true for how the sisters betray one another.

Anonymous said...

Cordelia and her "mistake" to not explain in words how she felt about her father, King Lear.

"You fight your superficiality, your shallowness, so as to try to come at people without unreal expectations, without an overload of bias or hope or arrogance, as untanklike as you can be...and yet you never fail to get them wrong." (247).

"Obviously, though, some errors precipitate an alienation more extreme and enduring than others." (281).

- Brian Garcia

Anonymous said...

Chapter 12
"Even if you are nothing like a bat and a great deal like me, there's still an insurmountable difference between the way I understand you and the way I understand myself."(pg255)
Chapter 13
"If it is hard to accept inexplicability and unpredictability in the world around us, it can be even harder to accept those elements within us." (pg283)

King Lear not able to accept and recognize his own mistakes.

G.Solano

Anonymous said...

"We don't get what we need, we are ignored or corrected, we irritate or enrage a parent or sibling or caretaker. In the end, we are left feeling publicly humiliated or privately ashamed-- or simply, deeply alone"(Shakespeare 250)
This quote relates to the mistake Cordelia made; being completely truthful to her father and the outcome was that she felt left out because she tried to make her father see his blind side of what Goneril and Regan want his inheritance.

"Like wrongness itself, this idea that we can misunderstand ourselves arouses deeply conflicting feelings"(Shakespeare 282)
I think this quote relates to the mistake Lear made of not understanding Cordelia's love and the example she gave of her sisters love to their husbands and later on Lear will feel bad and try to transform what he did, but it will be hard and the conflicting feelings will arouse.

-Jessica Gonzalez

Anonymous said...

"The conflation of these things--wanting to be right with wanting to be valued--helps explain why disagreements within intimate relationships can feel not just like betrayal, but like rejection." [Chapter 12, Page 271]

This quote relates to Edmund, because he wants to be valued and respected-- especially by his father. He feels rejected, because Edgar is preferred and he just seems to be the illegitimate son. Edmund is not valued and seeks respect.

"Being right might be fun but, as we've seen, it as the a tendency to bring out the worst in us." [Chapter 13, Page 293]

Edmund's plans turn out accordingly in the beginning of the play. He was right that Gloucester would believe the letter and turn against Edgar. This "rightness" causes Edmund to seek further vengeance. He becomes greedier and even more vengeful. Edmund wasn't focused on achieving happiness, but rather respect.

-Leticia Orozco

Anonymous said...

Character: King Lear
“You fight your superficiality, your shallowness, so as to try to come at people without unreal expectations, without an overload of bias or hope or arrogance, as untanklike as you can be…and yet you never fail to get them wrong.” (247).
“To agree that we can be wrong about ourselves, we must accept the perplexing proposition that there is a gap between what is being represented (our mind) and what is doing the representing (also our mind) (282-283)

-Sandy Ornelas

Anonymous said...

“We are swayed by the conventions and prejudices of our communities, we draw swift and sweeping conclusions based on the scanty evidence, and we are reluctant to change or revise those conclusions once we have formed them.” Pg. 263
-Edmund believed the forms of thinking in society, that we was a worthless bastard, which is why he was so determined to prove it wrong. If he would have been treated as his brother, he would have not grown to be so cruel and selfish.

“All of us have held ideas about ourselves that have either collapsed abruptly or fallen by the wayside over time.” Pg. 281
-Edmund felt he was meant to be ruler of the kingdom through deceiving and hurting others and he eventually failed and died.

Stephanie Santos

Anonymous said...

Character: Cordeila
Chapter 12
"Of all the things we like to be right about, none is so important to us as being right about other people." (Pg. 249)

Chapter 13
"Because it can entail renouncing central aspects of the person we always thought we were and becoming someone we never imagined we would be, the experience of error shows us our own self as both occluded and in flux." (Pg. 280)

- C. Buccat

Anonymous said...

- Irene Hernandez

Character Cordelia...

Chapter 12
"Of all the things we like to be right about, none is so important to us as being right about other people." (Pg. 249

Chapter 13
"You fight your superficiality, your shallowness, so as to try to come at people without unreal expectations, without an overload of bias or hope or arrogance, as untanklike as you can be...and yet you never fail to get them wrong." (Pg.281)

Anonymous said...

ch.12 " In short, we are wrong about love routinely. There's even a case to be made that love is error, or at least is likely to lead us there"( p. 262, Schultz). King Lears two daughters, Reagan and Goneril, gave fake love to King Lear to get more land.

Ch. 13 " But the errors featured in conversion stories show us that we aren't always as we imagine ourselves to be. In the abstract, we all understand that this can happen-that the self, like the world, is perfectly capable of surprising us" (p. 280, Schultz). Gloucester was very surprised that he found out that his son Edgar was the innocent one and not Edmund.


-Brian Escalante

Anonymous said...

1. "Shakespeare, who didnt want to admitany impedient to true love."
This qoute can be aplied to kent because he never gave up on king lear and always protected him from gonereil and regan. he was like king lears guardian angel who never lost hope for him.

2. being wrong page 281 chapter 13 last paragraph. line 2.
"Buyers remorse is our failure to accuratley predict our own needs"
kent is determined to finish his mission with helping king lear realaze that his daughter had btrayed him. Kent forgot about his own health and with that ended him to die shortley after king lear because he had no strngths to keep on living.

- Fernando Barrios

Erika Perez said...

On page 253 in Being Wrong, Kathryn Schulz states "We can make inferences about other peoples internal states based on familiarity with our own." Cordelia knows her sisters very well that she may also know what their thoughts concerning their father. Cordelia views her internal state as truthful and respectful. Thinking that she is the ultimate daughter, she views her sisters as hypocritical since they are not like herself.

On page 281 Schulz also states that "If changing our minds about certain overarching beliefs--beliefs about faith, family, politics, and so forth--can significantly upset our sense of self, so can changing our minds about our own minds. Cordelia disappears for a while, but while she is away she is internally fixing and planning what she will do to gain her fathers respect. Also, under covering her sisters plan.

Anonymous said...

"We don't get what we want or need, we are ignored or corrected, we irritate or enrage a parent or sibling or caretaker.In the end, we are left feeling publicly humiliated or privately ashamed- or simply, deeply alone."[pge 250]. This quote applies to King Lear and the fate the fate that is awaiting him, for getting upset at Cordelia for not telling him what he wanted to hear from her.
"What makes conversion stories distinctive in the annals of wrongness is that they don't just involve repudiating a past belief in order to believe something else. Instead, they involve a wholesale change in identity."[pge 279]. This quote would refer to Edmund's change of heart later in the play, when he confessed his past wrongdoings following Regan's and Goneril's death.

Ivan Matip

Anonymous said...

"Think about how distressing it is to feel misunderstood, and how frustrating it is when someone believes something about you" (Schulz, pg. 250)

This quote relates to the character to Edgar, because his father believes he had written the letter that was forged by Edmund.

"I became what I was[...]for I had placed myself behind my own back" (Schulz, p.286). This relates to the character King Lear because he became a king and becoming king left him blind of many things; for example, he believed the false love that Goneril and Regan had for him.

---Beatriz Dominguez

Anonymous said...

"One of our earliest and most important developmental challenges is to learn to interpret the emotional tone of a moment correctly"(249)

"Because it can entail renouncing central aspects of the person we always thought we were and becoming someone we never imagined we would be, the experience of error shows us our own self as both occluded and in flux."(280)

-King Lear was only interested in what others would give him and how they saw him as a father or king. He did not take into consideration what his daughter, Cordelia, really felt for him as a father. He was blinded by who he was,how his other two daughters saw him, and wanted to feel more important that what Cordelia interpreted him as.

--K. Rodriguez

Anonymous said...

Character: Kent

Ch.12 Pg251
"However badly he is treated, he remains..."
- This quote is relate able to Kent because remains loyal to king Lear even after Lear treats him like unworthy of merit.

Ch.13 Pg282
"As we've seen, we don't always accurately recall what we felt or believed in the past either"
-This is relate able to Kent because Kent doesn't really understand the praise he is suppose to get until the end of the story.


Angel Velasquez

Anonymous said...

Chapter 12

"In the end, we are left feeling publicly humiliated or privately ashamed--or simply, deeply alone"
(Pg. 250)

Chapter 13
"I've argued throughout this book that eror in gheneral startles, troubles, and sometimes delights us by showing us that the world isnt as we imagined it to be"
(Pg. 279)


Lear thought he was going to be happy spending a month with the three of his daughters, but in the end, he lost everything.

Erik Figueroa

Anonymous said...

"although it is part of my nature, I cannot understand all that i am." (pg 283)

"The attempt to get someone else to surrender their reality so you do not have to surrender yours." (pg 270)

These two quotes relate to King Lear because these to quotes talk about close minded people like King Lear.

-Roberto Picos

2walstib said...

“The marriage of minds: the insistent message here is that love does not begin with the heart (or points south). It begins from the neck up, with the search for a communion of consciousnesses.” (p.261)

This quote applies to the relationship between Kent and King Lear in that because of his love for his king and kingdom, Kent wishes to bring out the better qualities he feels are hidden or buried in King Lear.

“…[error] reminds us to treat other people with compassion, to honor them in their possible rightness as well as their inevitable, occasional wrongness. Instead of taking their errors as a sign that they are ignorant or idiotic or evil, we can look to own lives and reach the opposite conclusion: that they are, like us, just human.” (p. 294)

Kent evaluates all of the characters surrounding him, tries to advise King Lear as to their true motives, and in the end arrives at the conclusion that events were to be as they were. Kent realizes the errors of judgment he made and that these errors would have transpired with or without his active participation.

-L.S. Niederauer

Anonymous said...

King Lear lacked "one of our earliest and most important developmental challenges is to learn to interpret the emotional tone of a moment correctly" (pg.249) because he dismissed his youngest daughter when she did not gave him the long loving speech to prove her love.

Gloucester had his mind set that Edgar was going to the son to betray him and he had his eyes on him but Gloucester was surprisingly betrayed by Edmund and now Gloucester feels lost because he has "the experiene of being wrong challenges and transforms our bery sense of self" (pg.279).

-Elizabeth Vega

Anonymous said...

"I might understand you by analogy to myself, but i cannot understand you as a self." (255) And “the idea that we know who we are, as well as the idea that we are who we are. Hewing too closely to this model of the self can force us to dismiss both the possibility of error and the possibility of change…” (285)
Cordelia thinks her father is like her and believes that he will accept her no matter how she feels about him, and that he will love her as a father would to a daughter. She doesn’t even seem to consider the possibility that she is making a mistake by being too true to herself, and not helping anyone but the antagonists (her sisters).
- Ramon Duran

Anonymous said...

Cordelia: refusing to take part in King Lear's love test.

Chapter 12
It is the same one that keeps us separated from and fated only to speculate about the rest of the universe; the same one whose existence leaves us vulnerable to error [...] we are reminded that we are alone on our islands, cut off from one another and from the essential truths of the world." (Schulz 258-259)

Chapter 13

"All of us have held ideas about ourselves that have either collapsed abruptly or fallen by the wayside over time. [...] For all of us, our own private history--like the history of science, like the history of humankind--is littered with discarded theories." (Schulz 281)

--S. Morales

Anonymous said...

"do unto others as you would have them do unto you." This qoute in on page 255 in Chapter 12 of "Being Wrong" and relates to Edmung in "King Lear" because he is betraying his brother and father and he should do unto them, as they should do unto him.

"its a dog eat dog world" this qoute is located on page 285 in Chapther 13 of "Beings Wrong," and relates to Edmund in "King Lear" because Edmund wishes to take over his father's thrown, and he certainly has a "dog-eat-dog world" mentality.

- G. McDaniel

Anonymous said...

Chapter 12:
"We can't do much about the specific error-the one in which we turn out to be wrong about (or wronged by) someone we once deeply loved."

Chapter 13:
"the experience of being wrong challenges and transforms our very sense of self."

Both of these quotes deal with King Lear and his mistreatment of Cordelia as well as his refusal to admit he was wrong.

Curtis Fago

Anonymous said...

"You fight your superficiality, your shalowness, so as to try to come at people without unreal expectations, without an overload of bias or hope or arrogance, as untanlike as you can be...and yet you never fail to get them wrong" (Schulz 247). Cordelia spoke up reality when her father asked her to convince her why she should get 1/3 of his kingdom. She wasn't wrong under her own aspect to do so, but under King Lear's view, it was wrong to him.

"Compounding the problem of insufficient information is the problem of bad information" (Schulz 290). Gloucestor jumped into conclusion after he read the note his evil son Edmund forged making Gloucestor think that Edgar wrote it talking smack behind his back.

--David Maciel Gonzalez

Anonymous said...

"we can find ourself living uncomfortably,frighteningly,thrilling in a place where we can experience things we could never have experienced before." p295 This quote can be related to king lear, when he get frustrate with his daughter planes to destroy his remaining influence.

"we can look to our own lives and reach the opposite conclusion: they are, like us, just human. p294 I think this quote can relate to king lear because he realizes how bad his daughter messed everthing up and betray him.
--v Nard

Anonymous said...

Cordelia tried to prove her father that love shouldn't be created by what things you can recieve, but by a bond that is created.

"Of all the things we like to be right about, none is so important to us as being right about other people." (249)

"-the idea that we know who we are, as well as the idea that we are who we are."


-Brian D. Martinez

Anonymous said...

"The essential elements of our character, our native aptitudes and shortcomings, our grounding moral and intellectual principles, our ways of relating ourselves, to others, and to the world: these are the things that give of us our I" (pg 285). This quote can be related to king Lear as descriptions of his personality and principles as a king.

"we are born into this world profoundly alone, ordinary, earthwormy bodies-the condition that led Nietzsche to refer to us, wonderingly, as 'hybrids of plants and ghosts'" (252). This quote describes King Lear as his feeling and the search of love among his daughters.

Nancy FLores

Anonymous said...

"We don't get what we want or need, we are ignored or corrected, we irritate or enrage a perent or sibiling or caretaker,"(250).

"Instead of taking their errors as a sign that they are ignorant or idiotic or evil, we can look to our own lives and reach the opposite conclusion: that they are, like us, just human,"(249.

King Lear attitude towards his daughters.

-Khulood Hussin

Anonymous said...

"You fight your superficiality, your shallowness, so as to try to come at people without unreal expectations, without an overload of bias or hope or arrogance, as untanklike as you can be...and yet you never fail to get them wrong" (Page 247).
When Gloucester found out "Edgar's note" to him, he was devastated and had a heartbreak. Later on he found out it was not Edgar, so he suffered a tremendously mistake and learned from it.

"It reminds us that, having been wrong in the past, we could be easily be wrong again-and not just in the abstract but right now, here in the middle of this argument about pickles or constellations or crumb cake" (Page 294).
Gloucester regrets his misjudgment against his sons and hoped that he did not make those errors.

-Howard Lin

Anonymous said...

"None of us can take back what we've done in the past"(226).

"In many ways, we do accept that there are things the mind doesn't know about itself"(283).

King Lear disowned his daughter Cordelia because she couldn't explain how how she love him; what he doesn't understand is that she loves him but she doesn't want to say all these thing she didn't mean, unlike her sisters.

-Y. Clay

Anonymous said...

" we dont get what we want or need, we are ignored or corrected, we irritate or enrage a parent or shibling or caretaker. In the end, we are left feeling pubicly humiliated or privately ashmed-or simply, deeply alone"(250)This quote can be related to Lear because when he didn't accept his daughter anwer he didn't his daughter her part of kingdom and at the end he was felling bad for what he did.
" If changing our minds about certain overarching beliefs-beliefs about faith, family politics, and so forth-can significantly upset our sense of self, so can chaning our minds about our own minds." This quote represent when Lear finds out the truth about the Bastard son, yet Lear doesn't want to take back his kingdome back

Emanuel Garcia

Anonymous said...

Dominica Martinez

Ch. 12 pg. 262

“We fall out of love left and right. We question whether we were really in it in the first place.”

I know that Schulz is talking about lovers in this quote, but it can be applied to King Lear and his relationship with his daughter Cordelia. King Lear gets mad at Cordelia because she didn’t pander like her sisters did, and then he disowned her and said she was worthless. During which he stopped loving her (or thought he did) and I think he also wondered if she ever loved him at all.

Ch. 13 pg. 293

“We are transformed through error by accepting it.”

This quote relates to King Lear when he finds out that his daughter Cordelia really does love him, and when it is already too late to make things right. It transformed the way he looked and felt about Cordelia that when she dies he also dies because he is devastated that she is gone.

N. Iniguez said...

"However much individual people might differ from one another in certain respects, we all share roughly the same mental structures and aptitudes: a human sensory system and nervous system, a human consciousness and a human unconscious." pg. 252

"It's also to help us change the way we feel and act:to foster a set of believes that is less rigid,more functional, and more forgiving, toward ourselves as well as those around us." pg.293

Anonymous said...

-Gladys Mayra Delgado

Ch12."Of all the things we like to be right about, none is so important to us as being right about other people" (249). This was Lear's problem he thought that he knew the people around him. This was his cause to his plummet.

Ch13."In reality, though, we are just as likely if (if not more so) to regret choices that we deliberated over at great length" (282). At the end Lear did see that his loyal subjects were the ones he pushed away.

Anonymous said...

"So we should be able to be wrong from time to time, and be at peace with other people's occasional wrongness, and still love and be loved" (Schulz 272). This quote is related to King Lear because as a father, he did not accept Cordelia's answer for what it was and still love her. Instead, he banished her because it was not what he wanted to hear.

"We want to be right about ourselves for the same reason we want to be right about the world: because it enables us to feel grounded, confident, safe -- even sane" (Schulz 283-284). This quote can be related to King Lear because when he tested his daughters he was sure to get a specific answer, and when Cordelia did not give him the answer he wanted to hear, he banished her from his kingdom.

-M. McKenney